European link to the Mongols
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It is perhaps relevant (and not coincidental) that these claims would | It is perhaps relevant (and not coincidental) that these claims would | ||
trace the two (perhaps) most notorious European potentates (bearing in mind that Vlad the Impaler was a Basarab) from Mongols. Some of the accounts I have seen are explicit in the suggestion that it is the descent from Mongols that explain these Men Behaving Badly, which smacks of racism. This is as an aside, because the genealogy is what it is, and whatever metainterpretation people draw from it have no bearing on the facts, one way or the other."</blockquote> | trace the two (perhaps) most notorious European potentates (bearing in mind that Vlad the Impaler was a Basarab) from Mongols. Some of the accounts I have seen are explicit in the suggestion that it is the descent from Mongols that explain these Men Behaving Badly, which smacks of racism. This is as an aside, because the genealogy is what it is, and whatever metainterpretation people draw from it have no bearing on the facts, one way or the other."</blockquote> | ||
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| + | Subj: Re: European link to the Mongols | ||
| + | Date: 3/5/07 2:06:28 PM Pacific Standard Time | ||
| + | From: paulvheath@gmail.com | ||
| + | Sender: gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com | ||
| + | To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com | ||
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| + | > I have seen two sets of claims. Basarab, the founder of the family | ||
| + | > which bore his name, was son of Thocomerius of Wallachia. This appears | ||
| + | > to be a rendering of the Cuman name Toktomer, and there was a Mongol | ||
| + | > princeling of this name lining in the Crimea at the time. This has | ||
| + | > led to the suggestion (I specifically recall it from Montcrieffe) | ||
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| + | Moncrieffe (HRH, page 84): "... Kutyen Khan took refuge in Hungary ... | ||
| + | and married his daughter to King Bela IV's son, the future King | ||
| + | Stephen V ..." | ||
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| + | Moncreiffe (HRH, page 101): "... There seems no reason, therefore, to | ||
| + | doubt that 'Thocomerius', father of Basarab the Great, Prince of | ||
| + | Valachia 1310-38, was one of two contemporary Tatar princes both named | ||
| + | Toktemir in that area, both great-grandsons of prince Juchi, first | ||
| + | Khan of the Golden Horde (died 1224) ..." | ||
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| + | > I also recall there being some | ||
| + | > Russian nobility that married Mongols, and it has been claimed that | ||
| + | > Ivan the Terrible descended from them | ||
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| + | Warnes (Chronicle of the Russian Tsars, page 29): "... the grand | ||
| + | prince married Yelena Glinskaya, a 23-year-old princess of Tatar | ||
| + | descent ... Their first child, Ivan ..." | ||
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| + | Warnes (Chronicle of the Russian Tsars, page 44): "... Ivan announced | ||
| + | that he was abdicating ... Simeon Bekbulatovich, a descendant of | ||
| + | Genghis Khan, was enthroned as tsar ... Ivan resumed the tsardom once | ||
| + | the year was over, and pensioned off Simeon by making him grand prince | ||
| + | of Tver." | ||
