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**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1232 Charter S1232] : "Leofric, comes, and his wife (Godgifu), to St Mary's, Worcester..."
 
**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1232 Charter S1232] : "Leofric, comes, and his wife (Godgifu), to St Mary's, Worcester..."
 
**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1233 Charter S1233] : "Godiva (Godgifu), wife of Leofric, to St Mary's, Stow..."
 
**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1233 Charter S1233] : "Godiva (Godgifu), wife of Leofric, to St Mary's, Stow..."
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*Terry Booth in a posting to Gen-Medieval 23 Aug 2007 states : "Aelfgar the Earl's son ('Alfger þe Erles sune') appears as a witness in ASC document S1531 (Will of Thurstan, son of Wine) dated (1043 x 1045) - noted as probably authentic. Unless it can be shown this is not earl Leofric's son, it would be the earliest record for him [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1531 Citation]. He is also a witness as 'Aelfgar nobilis' in the 'probably authentic' S1019 (dated to 1049) which his father 'Leofric dux' as well as 'Godwine dux' and 'Harold dux' also witnessed [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1019 Citation]. The 1049 date suggests that assigning him an earldom before then is probably incorrect, and that Florence is probably right in dating the start of Aelfgar's 'temporary' earlship to Sep 1051 (after Godwine had fled to Flanders).
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ASC document S1042 (20/24 May 1065) - noted as probably authentic - may be the earliest mention of son Eadwine as earl - 'Eadwine dux'. This record would also prove that Morcar had not yet been named to replace earl Tostig/Tosti. [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1042 Citation]. This is consistent with ASC's statement that Morcar/Morkar was named earl 'the eve of St. Simon's and St. Jude's mass' in 1965 [http://books.google.com/books?id=4jEIAAAAQAAJ&pg=coverpage#PPA438,M1 citation], which Florence dates to 28 Oct 1065 [http://books.google.com/books?id=gpR0iz5GjYgC&pg=RA1-PA486&vq=godiva#PRA1-PA167,M1 Citation]
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If one presumes that Aelfgar's sons Eadwine and Morcar were both of age when acting as earls in 1065 (one being of course older), and that dau Aeldgyth/Ealdgyth was a mother abt 1057, Aelfgar was prob a father and m. by 1040 if not earlier. If Aelfgar was the witness to the 1045 will (which presumably required him to be of age), that suggests he was b. at least by 1025. He was d. bef 20/24 May 1065, when his son Eadwine had succeeded him as earl.
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If one instead accepts the suggestion that Eadwine and Morcar were mere 16 and 18 year-old teenagers when named earls (proof not seen), they would have been b. as late as 1046 and 1048. This could move Aelfgar's marriage date closer to 1045 dependant on the birthdate presumed for Ealdgyth. The brothers would then be 17 and 19 when Florence writes that on the eve of 20 Sep 1066, "before the king's arrival, the two brothers, Edwin and Morcar, at the head of a large army, fought a battle with the Norwegians on the northern bank of the river Ouse, near York.". If they were indeed brash young teenagers who wouldn't take advice from anyone, that could explain why they lost that battle. 5 days later, Harold defeated the same enemy at Stanford Bridge. Killing, among others, 'earl Tosti', the man whose earldom of Northumbria had been granted Morcar les than a year earlier."
  
 
==="Florence" (John) of Worcester===
 
==="Florence" (John) of Worcester===

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