http://countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php?title=Richard_Curzon&feed=atom&action=historyRichard Curzon - Revision history2024-03-29T04:42:51ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.19.0http://countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php?title=Richard_Curzon&diff=18690&oldid=prevWjhonson at 07:17, 24 August 20082008-08-24T07:17:10Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Additionally</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">from the ''Calendar of Patent Rolls'' (CPR) linked  [http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/ here], we now know that in 1437 </del>Richard <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Curzon ("one of the esquires appointed to attend on the king’s person") was granted a pension of 50 marks a year, and that in 1441, he </del>was granted the farm on all mines of gold, silver, and lead in Devon and Cornwall.  The CPR also indicates that in 1443 Richard and Isabel (for having "divers times attended the person of Queen Katharine in the parts of France at the command of Henry V at her own costs without any award…") were given a “grant in survivorship” of 50 marks a year out of the issues of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In 1441</ins>, Richard was granted the farm on all mines of gold, silver, and lead in Devon and Cornwall.  The CPR also indicates that in 1443 Richard and Isabel (for having "divers times attended the person of Queen Katharine in the parts of France at the command of Henry V at her own costs without any award…") were given a “grant in survivorship” of 50 marks a year out of the issues of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, we also know that upon their marriage, the Earl of Warwick provided lands worth £40 a year to Richard and Isabel Curzon.  In the VCH Warwick (1964), vol. 7, p. 70, it’s clear that at least one of the estates granted to the couple was a life-interest in the manor of Perry or Perry Barr.  Likewise, in the VCH Worcestershire (1971), vol. 3, p. 317, a second holding can be indentified as a quarter of the manor of Earl’s Croome.  Indeed, Isabel Curzon was found to hold a life-interest in this manor from 1431 to 1466.  Given that Richard Curzon’s pension from the Crown was stopped in 1450, and Isabel’s interest in Earl’s Croome ended in 1466 it seems safe to conclude that Richard died in 1450 and Isabel in 1466.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, we also know that upon their marriage, the Earl of Warwick provided lands worth £40 a year to Richard and Isabel Curzon.  In the VCH Warwick (1964), vol. 7, p. 70, it’s clear that at least one of the estates granted to the couple was a life-interest in the manor of Perry or Perry Barr.  Likewise, in the VCH Worcestershire (1971), vol. 3, p. 317, a second holding can be indentified as a quarter of the manor of Earl’s Croome.  Indeed, Isabel Curzon was found to hold a life-interest in this manor from 1431 to 1466.  Given that Richard Curzon’s pension from the Crown was stopped in 1450, and Isabel’s interest in Earl’s Croome ended in 1466 it seems safe to conclude that Richard died in 1450 and Isabel in 1466.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>On October 2, 2003, the question of the parentage of Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin (1426-1482) of Braybrook was discussed on the Gen-Medieval list.  You can find the discussion linked <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">here</del>:  [http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e9266519f8f7899/738a7d60dd2c3546?hl=en&lnk=st&q=richard+curzon+and+nicholas+griffin#738a7d60dd2c3546]. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> </del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>On October 2, 2003, the question of the parentage of Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin (1426-1482) of Braybrook was discussed on the Gen-Medieval list.  You can find the discussion linked:  [http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e9266519f8f7899/738a7d60dd2c3546?hl=en&lnk=st&q=richard+curzon+and+nicholas+griffin#738a7d60dd2c3546 <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">here</ins>].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Secondary sources seem to be divided between placing her as either the daughter of an otherwise unidentified Richard Curzon, or as one of the unknown daughters of John Curzon of Kedleston (d. 1459/60), called “the white-haired.”  <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">At that time</del>, it was suggested by the late Brice Clagett that if <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">CP7</del>,(p.457) was correct in its contention that her father was Richard Curzon <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">– </del>an identification for which no sources are provided <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">– </del>then the most likely candidates for her parents were Richard Curzon (d.ca. 1450), esquire of the body to Henry VI, and his wife Isabel.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Secondary sources seem to be divided between placing her as either the daughter of an otherwise unidentified Richard Curzon, or as one of the unknown daughters of John Curzon of Kedleston (d. 1459/60), called “the white-haired.”  <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the 2003 discussion</ins>, it was suggested by the late Brice Clagett that if <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''The Complete Peerage'', Vol VII</ins>,(p.457) was correct in its contention that her father was Richard Curzon <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">&mdash; </ins>an identification for which no sources are provided <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">&mdash; </ins>then the most likely candidates for her parents were Richard Curzon (d. ca. 1450), esquire of the body to Henry VI, and his wife Isabel.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>In a 1983 article, “The Curzons of Fifteenth-Century Derbyshire,” published in <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the </del>The Derbyshire Archaeological Journal (vol. 103, pages 107-117), Ian Ronwey conclusively argued that this Richard Curzon was not, in fact, a member of the Derbyshire family, but was instead of unknown ancestry and from Warwickshire and Worcestershire.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>In a 1983 article, “The Curzons of Fifteenth-Century Derbyshire,” published in The Derbyshire Archaeological Journal (vol. 103, pages 107-117), Ian Ronwey conclusively argued that this Richard Curzon was not, in fact, a member of the Derbyshire family, but was instead of unknown ancestry and from Warwickshire and Worcestershire.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, from the Calendar of Patent Rolls (CPR) linked <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">here  </del>[http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/], we now know that in 1437 Richard Curzon (<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">“one </del>of the esquires appointed to attend on the king’s <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">person”</del>) was granted a pension of 50 marks a year, and that in 1441, he was granted the farm on all mines of gold, silver, and lead in Devon and Cornwall.  The CPR also indicates that in 1443 Richard and Isabel (for having <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">“divers </del>times attended the person of Queen Katharine in the parts of France at the command of Henry V at her own costs without any <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">award…”</del>) were given a “grant in survivorship” of 50 marks a year out of the issues of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, from the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''</ins>Calendar of Patent Rolls<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'' </ins>(CPR) linked <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">  </ins>[http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/ <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">here</ins>], we now know that in 1437 Richard Curzon (<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"one </ins>of the esquires appointed to attend on the king’s <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">person"</ins>) was granted a pension of 50 marks a year, and that in 1441, he was granted the farm on all mines of gold, silver, and lead in Devon and Cornwall.  The CPR also indicates that in 1443 Richard and Isabel (for having <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"divers </ins>times attended the person of Queen Katharine in the parts of France at the command of Henry V at her own costs without any <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">award…"</ins>) were given a “grant in survivorship” of 50 marks a year out of the issues of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, we also know that upon their marriage, the Earl of Warwick provided lands worth £40 a year to Richard and Isabel Curzon.  In the VCH Warwick (1964), vol. 7, p. 70, it’s clear that at least one of the estates granted to the couple was a life interest in the manor of Perry or Perry Barr.  Likewise, in the VCH Worcestershire (1971), vol. 3, p. 317, a second holding can be indentified as a quarter of the manor of Earl’s Croome.  Indeed, Isabel Curzon was found to hold a life interest in this manor from 1431 to 1466. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">  </del>Given that Richard Curzon’s pension from the Crown was stopped in 1450, and Isabel’s interest in Earl’s Croome ended in 1466 it seems safe to conclude that Richard died in 1450 and Isabel in 1466.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Additionally, we also know that upon their marriage, the Earl of Warwick provided lands worth £40 a year to Richard and Isabel Curzon.  In the VCH Warwick (1964), vol. 7, p. 70, it’s clear that at least one of the estates granted to the couple was a life<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">-</ins>interest in the manor of Perry or Perry Barr.  Likewise, in the VCH Worcestershire (1971), vol. 3, p. 317, a second holding can be indentified as a quarter of the manor of Earl’s Croome.  Indeed, Isabel Curzon was found to hold a life<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">-</ins>interest in this manor from 1431 to 1466. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> </ins>Given that Richard Curzon’s pension from the Crown was stopped in 1450, and Isabel’s interest in Earl’s Croome ended in 1466 it seems safe to conclude that Richard died in 1450 and Isabel in 1466.   </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Of particular interest to the question of whether or not Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin, was the daughter of this couple, however, is membrane 20 (30 Henry VI – Part 1) in the CPR (pp. 501-502), dated 28 September 1451, in which Isabel, now called Isabel Godard, “sometime wife” of Richard Curzon, “esquire of the body, executrix of his will, agreed to exchange the farm on the mines of Devon and Cornwall for a yearly payment of £100, until £1400 had been paid “to her, her executors and assigns.”   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Of particular interest to the question of whether or not Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin, was the daughter of this couple, however, is membrane 20 (30 Henry VI – Part 1) in the CPR (pp. 501-502), dated 28 September 1451, in which Isabel, now called Isabel Godard, “sometime wife” of Richard Curzon, “esquire of the body, executrix of his will, agreed to exchange the farm on the mines of Devon and Cornwall for a yearly payment of £100, until £1400 had been paid “to her, her executors and assigns.”   </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>My question, as it were, is if Katherine Griffin was indeed the daughter of Richard Curzon, wouldn’t she (and her husband <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">– </del>she’s known to have been married to Nicholas Griffin by 1450) have been included in this agreement (even if it was only to waive Katherine’s interest in the farm on the mines) as her father’s heir?  Moreover, even if Isabel’s interests in the manors of Perry Barr and Earl’s Croome were for her life only, isn’t it likely that Nicholas Griffin would have made some attempt to put forth a claim on her property for either his wife or her children’s sake?  If the answer to these questions is yes, then I would argue that it’s unlikely then that Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin of Braybrook, was the daughter of Richard and Isabel Curzon.  However, as I’m far from an expert on such matters, it may be that the interests of a child of Richard and Isabel Curzon would not necessarily need to be included in any of these matters.  So, I invite others to look over the information I’ve provided, research the matter, and contribute their views on the subject.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>My question, as it were, is if Katherine Griffin was indeed the daughter of Richard Curzon, wouldn’t she (and her husband <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">&mdash; </ins>she’s known to have been married to Nicholas Griffin by 1450) have been included in this agreement (even if it was only to waive Katherine’s interest in the farm on the mines) as her father’s heir?  Moreover, even if Isabel’s interests in the manors of Perry Barr and Earl’s Croome were for her life only, isn’t it likely that Nicholas Griffin would have made some attempt to put forth a claim on her property for either his wife or her children’s sake?  If the answer to these questions is yes, then I would argue that it’s unlikely then that Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin of Braybrook, was the daughter of Richard and Isabel Curzon.  However, as I’m far from an expert on such matters, it may be that the interests of a child of Richard and Isabel Curzon would not necessarily need to be included in any of these matters.  So, I invite others to look over the information I’ve provided, research the matter, and contribute their views on the subject.   </div></td></tr>
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</table>Wjhonsonhttp://countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php?title=Richard_Curzon&diff=18686&oldid=prev209.43.96.174: Who were the parents of Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin (1426-1482) of Braybrook?2008-08-23T19:37:59Z<p>Who were the parents of Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin (1426-1482) of Braybrook?</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Blank</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">On October 2, 2003, the question of the parentage of Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin (1426-1482) of Braybrook was discussed on the Gen-Medieval list.  You can find the discussion linked here:  [http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e9266519f8f7899/738a7d60dd2c3546?hl=en&lnk=st&q=richard+curzon+and+nicholas+griffin#738a7d60dd2c3546].  </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Secondary sources seem to be divided between placing her as either the daughter of an otherwise unidentified Richard Curzon, or as one of the unknown daughters of John Curzon of Kedleston (d. 1459/60), called “the white-haired.”  At that time, it was suggested by the late Brice Clagett that if CP7,(p.457) was correct in its contention that her father was Richard Curzon – an identification for which no sources are provided – then the most likely candidates for her parents were Richard Curzon (d.ca. 1450), esquire of the body to Henry VI, and his wife Isabel.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In a 1983 article, “The Curzons of Fifteenth-Century Derbyshire,” published in the The Derbyshire Archaeological Journal (vol. 103, pages 107-117), Ian Ronwey conclusively argued that this Richard Curzon was not, in fact, a member of the Derbyshire family, but was instead of unknown ancestry and from Warwickshire and Worcestershire.  </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Additionally, from the Calendar of Patent Rolls (CPR) linked here  [http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/], we now know that in 1437 Richard Curzon (“one of the esquires appointed to attend on the king’s person”) was granted a pension of 50 marks a year, and that in 1441, he was granted the farm on all mines of gold, silver, and lead in Devon and Cornwall.  The CPR also indicates that in 1443 Richard and Isabel (for having “divers times attended the person of Queen Katharine in the parts of France at the command of Henry V at her own costs without any award…”) were given a “grant in survivorship” of 50 marks a year out of the issues of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.  </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Additionally, we also know that upon their marriage, the Earl of Warwick provided lands worth £40 a year to Richard and Isabel Curzon.  In the VCH Warwick (1964), vol. 7, p. 70, it’s clear that at least one of the estates granted to the couple was a life interest in the manor of Perry or Perry Barr.  Likewise, in the VCH Worcestershire (1971), vol. 3, p. 317, a second holding can be indentified as a quarter of the manor of Earl’s Croome.  Indeed, Isabel Curzon was found to hold a life interest in this manor from 1431 to 1466.    Given that Richard Curzon’s pension from the Crown was stopped in 1450, and Isabel’s interest in Earl’s Croome ended in 1466 it seems safe to conclude that Richard died in 1450 and Isabel in 1466.  </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Of particular interest to the question of whether or not Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin, was the daughter of this couple, however, is membrane 20 (30 Henry VI – Part 1) in the CPR (pp. 501-502), dated 28 September 1451, in which Isabel, now called Isabel Godard, “sometime wife” of Richard Curzon, “esquire of the body, executrix of his will, agreed to exchange the farm on the mines of Devon and Cornwall for a yearly payment of £100, until £1400 had been paid “to her, her executors and assigns.”  </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">My question, as it were, is if Katherine Griffin was indeed the daughter of Richard Curzon, wouldn’t she (and her husband – she’s known to have been married to Nicholas Griffin by 1450) have been included in this agreement (even if it was only to waive Katherine’s interest in the farm on the mines) as her father’s heir?  Moreover, even if Isabel’s interests in the manors of Perry Barr and Earl’s Croome were for her life only, isn’t it likely that Nicholas Griffin would have made some attempt to put forth a claim on her property for either his wife or her children’s sake?  If the answer to these questions is yes, then I would argue that it’s unlikely then that Katherine Curzon, wife of Nicholas Griffin of Braybrook, was the daughter of Richard and Isabel Curzon.  However, as I’m far from an expert on such matters, it may be that the interests of a child of Richard and Isabel Curzon would not necessarily need to be included in any of these matters.  So, I invite others to look over the information I’ve provided, research the matter, and contribute their views on the subject.  </ins></div></td></tr>
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